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I was listening to my local jazz station while commuting last night and there was a jazz song sung in french. I really want to know who this was. Does anyone know of any french jazz singers? I am thinking it was older stuff.
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Re: French jazz singers?
Wed, December 7, 2005 - 5:00 PMNot sure of any specific singers -- maybe Josephine Baker? Edith Piaf? -- but there hafta be countless English-language singers who've sung in French. One song that comes to mind is "Ne Me Quitte Pas" (sung in English as "If You Go Away"). I first heard Nina Simone's beautiful version. And Dusty Springfield has a bi-lingual version. Another example (though not necessarily jazz), Eartha Kitt's "C'est Si Bon." -
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Wed, December 7, 2005 - 6:01 PMSerge Gaisnbourgh-infamous jazz/lounge/pop singer and statutory rapist. Also has an amazing reggae and dub cd with the I-3s. -
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Wed, December 7, 2005 - 9:21 PMfrench female jazz vocals that sounded like older stuff... shocka offered up a few that i was thinking: edith piaf, eartha kitt and nina simone. i doubt it was any of serge's lady's, as i can't think of any w/female vocals that have that old time jazz flavor -- most of those type of songs he sung himself.
let's see, blossom dearie sang quite a few songs in french. she has a very 'little girl' sound. a lot of the schoolhouse rock songs in that little girls voice are her.
keren ann is pretty popular right now and i can see her getting play on a jazz station. most of her songs don't sound too old though; she's kinda got that norah jones thing where it can be hard to tell what era it's from -- i just can't bring myself to say 'timeless' and norah jones in the same sentence.
the piaf, kitt and simone songs have a sort of cabarets/music-halls type sound -- if that's what you meant by 'older.' the blossom dearie and *some* of the karen ann songs have more of a traditional jazz vocals thing but like i said ms. dearie's sound is, well, unique and you would probably have mentioned the strange girly voice.
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess they were playing keren ann. mostly 'cause she does have a number of songs that sound like they could have been older and because she's kinda hot right now -- she just performed here at the sf jazz fest too so...
let us know if you do find out. (i'm curious)
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Wed, December 28, 2005 - 5:19 PMGainsbourg is neither a jazz singer nor a rapist.
He is a poet and pop singer who surrounded himself with really good musicians from different styles through the decades. In the 50s he had jazz guys backing him up, but his songs from that period aren't jazz.
He wrote a song "Lemon Incest" about his daughter and he not screwing (but flirting with the idea), and an album, "Melodie Nelson", about screwing a fictitious British teenage girl. They both caused a lot of controversy and were very beautifully written, taboo fantasies.
Obsédé? Affirmatif... sexuel. -
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Wed, December 28, 2005 - 7:43 PMFrom the AEC Music Guide-
Styles: Jazz-Pop, Cabaret, French Pop, Foreign Language Rock, Baroque Pop, French Rock
Serge Gainsbourg was the dirty old man of popular music; a French....etc.
And there is a slight difference between rapist and statutory rapist. Maybe he's not a statory rapist, but I think it's fair to say, he plays one on TV. -
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Thu, December 29, 2005 - 10:07 AMYeah, Gainsbourg loved to provoke, to shock, and really loved his sexual image... I do think there's a HUGE difference between say, a pedophile who rapes a five-year old and a man who pens a song about seducing a teenage girl.
And yeah, I think you're right, I'd go with Jazz-Pop... But Jazz-Pop isn't jazz. Jazz-pop is pop that uses jazz flavors.
It's like the hip-hop DJs who mix jazz riffs on top of hip-hop beats. It's hip-hop, with jazz flavors added. It's not jazz with hip-hop flavors. The difference may seem picky, but it's actually fundamental. -
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Thu, December 29, 2005 - 4:45 PMHe qualifies as Jazz as much as Josephine Baker or Edith Piaf. There was a fairly raging debate on this tribe about what and who constituted "Jazz" I think the only thing that was agreed upon was that no one could agree.
Technically, a song about an old man seducing a teenager is a song about statutory rape. Especially if the singer is a horny old french man. -
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Fri, December 30, 2005 - 9:31 AMIn this particular case it doesn’t even matter if Serge fits any definition of jazz since I’m sure many of the artists played on jazz radio would not conform to Francois’ (or wikipidia’s) definition of “jazz.”
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Fri, January 27, 2006 - 11:00 AMYeah, I guess if you want to redefine a term, you can make mean anything. And if it's a term that was loosely defined to begin with...
I go by criteria that were taught to me by my music teachers. This definition is the most widely accepted one among musicians. In order to be jazz, music has to meet a majority, though not all, of the following:
- Melodies are not played 'straight' but embellished and interpreted
- Much of the performance is improvised (most important)
- At least part of the repertoire is jazz standards
- Pieces feature extensive soloing
- Music has a swing feel
- Stylistic touches (scoops, slides, blue notes etc.) that are typically used by jazz musicians
You can take any one criterion and find Jazz that does not meet it. But if music meets a majority of the criteria, it's pretty fair to call it jazz.
Edith Piaf is a pop singer. Her accompanying music isn't jazz music, her singing is not jazz singing, and she doesn't play within the jazz repertoire. She mostly sings songs written by Charles Aznavour, a French 50s popular music writer/composer.
I think it's an insult to rape & abuse victims everywhere to label any consentual act "rape." Whether you precede it with the qualifier "statutory" or not. When you change the meaning of the word to encompass too much, you rob it of its original meaning. Child abuse is horrible. Rape is horrible. Neither are consentual acts, as Serge Gainsbourg sang about.
But beyond that, singing a song about a sexual fantasy does not mean you enacted that fantasy. There are many, many examples of terrible sexual fantasies in cannonical art, literature, and music, that are just that. Fantasies. There's nothing wrong with it. Any psychologist worth a grain of salt would tell you that taboo fantasies are a healthy exploration that releases what could otherwise turn into an unhealthy obsession. Is the person who dresses in PVC and brandishes a whip in a club on saturday night really a medieval whore with alien sex obsessions? No. It's a fantasy, and it's even more titillating because it's taboo. The corresponding real act is forbidden and wrong, which is why the fantasy has so much power. -
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Fri, January 27, 2006 - 3:59 PMFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term "statutory rape" is sometimes used when national and/or regional governments, citing an interest in protecting minors, consider people under a certain age to be unable to give consent, and therefore consider sexual contact with them to be equivalent to rape regardless of the minor's consent.
I apologize if I offended you with my smartass commentary on Serge. I'm often insensitive to the reactions the words I choose often create. But my definition of the word is correct. -
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Mon, January 30, 2006 - 11:02 AMNo, I'm not offended at all, I have a strong nerdy side that really likes debate. And actually, I meant redefining the term "jazz"--which I'm much more passionate about.
The problem with the concept of statutory rape is that it's applied to people who can consent. A teenager having consentual sex falls under statutory rape laws. That makes the act consentual, and also rape. Rape by definition means non-consentual sex. So you have consentual non-consentual sex, which is nonsensical. Eeehhh... who cares anyways. Molest a baby seal for Jesus, that's what I say.
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Re: French jazz singers?
Wed, December 7, 2005 - 11:00 PMCould you give some more details?
Was the singer male or female?
Was the style bluesy or swing?
Was the voice sweet or husky?
Did it sound like a style from France or was it closer to American jazz?
Here are a couple more suggestions:
Madeleine Peyroux sings fluently in French and has a style which can sometimes sound like Billie Holiday.
Patricia Kass also has a good command of jazz singing. -
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Thu, December 8, 2005 - 9:30 AMmale or female? damn, i dunno why in my minds eye i read that first post as asking about a female... well that does open the field up quite a bit and i suppose i shouldn't have dismsissed serge so quickly.
(more info please)
what station where you listening to? perhaps there's info on their web site -- i'd love to be able to confirm who it really was.
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Thu, December 8, 2005 - 12:20 PMActually it was a duet. She had a slighty higher voice then Nina S. very smooth.
The man who was singing Had a very mellow voice.
I say it was sort of swing almost. -
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Thu, December 22, 2005 - 12:57 PMMake sure you check out www.jazzlist.org next time; they are really on top of posting the playlist with all kinds of info about the song; album , label, etc
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Fri, January 6, 2006 - 1:01 AMA great MODERN jazz band:
8 1/2 Souviners (out of Austin) Recorded 2 albums in the late 90's "Souvonica" and "Happy Feet" Very Djiengo sound with hot vocal.
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Mon, January 30, 2006 - 11:13 AMOh, and now I'm done with my OT rants, I thought I'd post a link to this band. Caught em in Paris 3 years ago in this wine cellar club. They're absolutely fantastic, mixing funk, jazz, and java on banjo, accordeon, and string bass:
www.freebidou.com/
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